serious (somewhat) question: What's your plan for being plugged off of every major service provider?


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serious (somewhat) question:
What's your plan for being plugged off of every major service provider?


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Say, hyperthetically, Okta, AWS, either of the App Stores, or any other of your primary tools get shut off within 24h.


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I mean it of course depends on the tool we are talking about - some things are more natural than others.
e.g Slack goes down => Google Chat goes up


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AWS Goes down - The entire internet enters panic mode


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If idp goes down, set up/reset passwords and communicate to users


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Not quite my question. What if they (as in the providers) pull you offline for good and you only have 24 hours to move out.


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I mean its the same answer really 🙂


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We have to acknowledge the fact that in case that happens its very unlikely that Service A would have a way to make a full data migration to Service B. We can assume that the service going down at least gives us an opportunity to pull raw data. So if we only have 24 hours to do this it’s going to be pull all available data. Push usage to Service B and figure out how to deal with the data mess


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im guessing a hypothetical question would be if you worked at parler, what would you do?


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Well I would do what parler did 😂


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Move to good old russia


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I think in any situation like that you kind of have to look at the reasoning why you are getting pulled off all major services. If you are in the business of radical free speech (e.g Wikileaks, Parler (I hate to do this association but bare with me), etc.) you also have to think about datahosting and service levels in a whole other way. At that point your plan cannot be “I’m going to host this in AWS” - because you will sure know that what you are building could be taken down at any moment.

In WikiLeaks case they went with PRQ funded by the creators of The Pirate Bay - a hosting company from Sweden that is protected under a way more open freedom of speech law.


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and hope that your infrastructure is easy to re-deploy. kubernetes, terraform, etc.


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and go with good PWA vs. native mobile apps


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😄 or quite possibly. Just go Dark Web the whole way


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Anyone following the whole decentralized/web3 movement? I wonder if (the apps that this makes sense for) will move to that framework more quickly after the recent events


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I believe @steve is working on a project in this space, curious to hear what he thinks


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I would agree with the "look at why you're getting unplugged in the first place" viewpoint. Because if you're getting pulled from a provider (like AWS) odds are it won't be easy for you to go to another major provider (like GCP or Azure). Also, if you store your data outside of the states (if you're an American company) you also have to consider the optics of that (as Zoom did with some of their stuff going through China).



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There are other reasons that just “re-examining your product/values” isn’t a great answer either. Even in the US there are niche communities (sex-positive, LGBTQ radicals, and yes, alt-rights) that by nature of the content they discuss or the content they promote, do not meet the TOS of any major tech providers. Most of these groups normally organise in-person or using specialised tools that were designed for their niche. But with the pandemic, we could all agree that the majority of the time the total loss on in-person contact created more needs than existed previously. Ultimately, I think the result was a variety of options, including taking the risk with known providers who could shut you down if they discovered you, or seeking out/building alternative options.
I won’t discuss specifics publicly, but I do pro-bono consulting for an organization that had to make such a choice and they opted to look for alternatives based on their risk tolerance, which we did ultimately find one with data hosted in Sweden. Thank god for Sweden, honestly.



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It takes a strong Democracy to have such a high availability for freedom of speach. Germany bans that for a reason.



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Unfortunately - they have a history to avoid repeating



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Arguably so does the US but our only major restrictions on free speech seem to be about protecting children (the ones that have teeth anyway).



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