Transparency in salary/pay expectations on LinkedIn/#job-openings


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I've noticed more and more job listings on LinkedIn and #job-openings have excluded salary/pay expectations up front although some tout transparency being a core value. Is that still taboo? I've read conflicting articles that say that barrier should be taken down. Thoughts or opinions?


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Hiding the internally budgeted salary range for a position has always been and always will be an underhanded tactic to lowball talent.


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Ahh...so your are "transparent" like a piece of paper? 💩


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Colorado has a new law that any company with offices or at least one remote employee in the state has to include the range in all job postings. Went into effect Jan. 1 this year, and it's been a remarkable change seeing every single posting have that information.


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Not being from Colorado, maybe I don't see those as often, but plenty of ones from all over the country. I haven't seen one with listed pay range in probably over a year.


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I’m pretty sure CA law states that the company needs to reveal a salary range if it’s requested by an applicant, but doesn’t require them to publicize it outright


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Laws are going to very state to state and in a remote world, I can see that changing. I was trying to get a feel for what the community thinks is right.


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I can hit the Yes button on every job posting on LinkedIn for wanting to see salary information, but I’ve never actually seen it do anything.


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Or if openly asking in channels of job postings “What is the salary range?” If not listed or if that’s uncouth.


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I think it should be included. Hiding it either hurts the applicant (they budgeted $XXk/yr, but got the applicant to give a number first and get away with $10k less or something) or current employees (I've worked here 2 years and the new guy on my team is starting above where I'm at currently?!).


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I'm in another slack that is primarily Denver-local software engineers/designers/etc. and they adopted a rule in their job postings channel to follow the new law. The number of recruiters who see a reminder and say "Oh, I don't have that info, let me talk to HR/finance and repost this later" was pretty surprising at first, like they didn't even know the range upfront themselves? There have been a few out of state companies that post remote positions there, though, that have just stopped posting, and we don't miss them at all with that attitude.


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How about an update to the rules here, @mike-bc 🤔


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But that may also need an update the the BC internal rules... looks at bettercloud.com/jobs


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Or at least a poll. I can see it not effecting those who don’t care that it’s posted, and miss out on opportunities to see postings that don’t provide that information.


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Not everyone cares about the same causes tis true. 🤗


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I’m careful not to ascertain malice to what is often carelessness or just archaic policy. It’s a balance, people that go “what is the salary range?” immediately out of the gate tend to be focused on the wrong things in my experience. But I also very much agree that I wouldn’t invest my time and energy applying for a job that is not close to my expectations up front, or is wildly mismatched to the market.


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For what it’s worth, I’ve often found that if the salary range is “lower than you’d like”, there’s often room to find a few more magic coins for the right person.

But that’s just a general ProTip.

With remote jobs or even other locations, what a lot of people tend to misunderstand (and if I had to guess, haven’t been hiring managers before) is that different geolocations and experience make a huge difference in ranges (simple math, NYC is more expensive than Idaho, so adjusted for cost of living, probably about the same.) What WILL BE interesting is to see how the remote work thing shakes out, and if employers will start adjusting for remote work geolocations or if they’ll pay same-same regardless of location.

My personal opinion is that I believe if you’re willing to pay $x for %position in SF, you should pay the same for the same position if they’re in MO, assuming qualifications are same-same. Or SF to London, etc. etc.

I fully support putting the range in the JD if possible but I do not attribute malice or ill intent to a JD that doesn’t post it either.


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Also, if a recruiter asks you for your current salary, don’t tell ’em that first. Don’t even talk about it in the first chat (“let’s see if we’re a good fit first, then let’s talk money, i’m sure we’re in the same neighborhood”)

You should know the reasonable market salary range for your title/equivalent. Make ’em tell you a number first, because your current salary does not indicate your potential worth to a future employer - they need your skillset, and should be willing to pay an appropriate amount for it.

Plenty of articles on this, and plenty focused for engineers to help with an uncomfortable chat, but you can do it in a way that isn’t rude.


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Great answer as usual @jfuller.depu thanks for contributing to the discussion!


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c255df3776f6d910.png , great thread! I’m happy to run a poll to gauge people’s interest in this.

Another option would be to make a rule: if you post something in #job-openings then you should also be ready to get questions about salary in your DMs (although the person asking may want to stay anonymous, so this may not work out)


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I could ask you to ask the question to the poster?


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Or people can ask me to ask 😛


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